Chez
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Beware!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7543420.stm
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idiotsavant
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My god, that's a depressingly rubbish piece of journalism.
A reporter who didn't compare like-with-like when it came to the stats (I'm guessing it didn't suit her argument).
Suggesting that somehow, the new system was already having an effect by using the same dubious stats.
And then, to cap it all, she couldn't find a speeding bike to validate her story, "because they were all behaving today."
Keep 'em peeled, people, it's our best defence.
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FastBikerBoy
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Have they got fuck all better to do with their time and our money?
Listen you road safety nazis, I don't want you to save me from myself, I KNOW the risk I take every time I go out on the road and if/when I choose to use speed. I accept that as part of the deal and if I happen to get injured or die doing what I love, that's my choice, as long as I don't take anyone else with me that's my problem.
What I want you to do is target drivers on mobile phones, brushing their hair/teeth, shaving, watching TV, arguing with their partner, driving around pissed and all the other million and one things that I witness frequently and takes their attention away from the road and what's going on around them.
As to the 'technology', much the same sort of kit was on the news here in Norfolk at the beginning of the summer and I've yet to go passed one camera van with it fitted, and I see plenty. I think it's all a scare mongering hoax, this obsession the authorities have with speed is really getting on my tits, let's get the standard of driving/riding up first hey, that's a far bigger problem that would yield the very results they are looking for, less death and mayhem on the roads.
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chappers
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What I want you to do is target drivers on mobile phones, brushing their hair/teeth, shaving, watching TV, arguing with their partner, driving around pissed and all the other million and one things that I witness frequently and takes their attention away from the road and what's going on around them.
Some hope of me getting done for any of those I'm too busy skinning up with my hands steering with my knees whilst getting a blowjob to answer the phone.
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FastBikerBoy
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What I want you to do is target drivers on mobile phones, brushing their hair/teeth, shaving, watching TV, arguing with their partner, driving around pissed and all the other million and one things that I witness frequently and takes their attention away from the road and what's going on around them.
Some hope of me getting done for any of those I'm too busy skinning up with my hands steering with my knees whilst getting a blowjob to answer the phone.
 Well that too!!
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fastjonny
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Purely in the interests of, ahem, road safety you guys might like to know that the same technology is now being used in Sussex.
Go careful ......
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chappers
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What I want you to do is target drivers on mobile phones, brushing their hair/teeth, shaving, watching TV, arguing with their partner, driving around pissed and all the other million and one things that I witness frequently and takes their attention away from the road and what's going on around them.
Some hope of me getting done for any of those I'm too busy skinning up with my hands steering with my knees whilst getting a blowjob to answer the phone.
Well that too!!
Thank god I have a straw to drink my beer with.
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fastjonny
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I think it's all a scare mongering hoax
Hmmm ... trust me, it isn't.
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monkiboi
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Well....the number of casualties is gonig up but if they send out more tickets that will stop people killing themselves will it? Sound like they're getting pissed off with not being able to make some more cash out of us bikers, nothing to do with road safety. Hey, I actually sound surprised by that, must be having a blonde moment 
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Biggles
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I think it's all a scare mongering hoax
Hmmm ... trust me, it isn't.
true the fuzz were demoing it at Brands WSB.
TBH I have always slowed when I have seen a camera van, seems a bit daft not to... well, except when you are going to be rear ended 
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fastjonny
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I was at the Wheels show in Littlehampton with the firebike last weekend and was shown around the van and how the side cameras work. As I understand it, they can also be used to detect (i.e. record) mobile phone use by drivers as well. Every cloud etc. etc.
We do a fair number of events with the Sussex Safer Roads partnership and, to be fair, in my experience the people involved are dedicated and committed to reducing road fatalities, not in persecuting (and prosecuting) bikers per se.
At the end of the day, we all know (or ought to) the rules of the road, speed limits etc. If we choose to flout them and subsequently get nicked we've only really got ourselves to blame...... Lights blue touch paper and retires ... 
Although I do recall a few years back me and my crew being requested to take the fire truck to Sedlescombe, where a safety camera was in operation that morning, to promote road safety. We parked up on the Green, put a banner on the windscreen of the lorry and generally hung around for a while.
After about half an hour or so, I saw one of my crew having a somewhat heated discussion with one of the camera operators. I made my way over to see what all the fuss was about whereupon I was informed that the camera operators were more than a little unhappy about our presence!
Our crime? Apparently, drivers and riders were clocking our fire appliance and slowing down!!! This seemed to annoy the camera operators as no-one was exceeding the speed limit!!
FFS !! I decided we should stay - not to piss them off, of course, but purely in the interests of road-safety,
S'funny, we never got invited back to repeat the experience.
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Billyw
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I don't think they target bikes in particular locally to me as I received 3 penalty points last week for being 17mph over on a 50 dual carrigeway and I was in my wifes car.I was cheesed off at the time as the camera van was in the bushes just round a slight bend and I was the only car on that stretch of road , there again I was speeding knowingly so can't blame anyone else for that.
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FastBikerBoy
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Although I do recall a few years back me and my crew being requested to take the fire truck to Sedlescombe, where a safety camera was in operation that morning, to promote road safety. We parked up on the Green, put a banner on the windscreen of the lorry and generally hung around for a while.
After about half an hour or so, I saw one of my crew having a somewhat heated discussion with one of the camera operators. I made my way over to see what all the fuss was about whereupon I was informed that the camera operators were more than a little unhappy about our presence!
Our crime? Apparently, drivers and riders were clocking our fire appliance and slowing down!!! This seemed to annoy the camera operators as no-one was exceeding the speed limit!!
Which just goes to show they aren't interested in road safety, merely collecting money. As I've always suspected. Wankers.
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fastjonny
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It was one occasion, a few years back. The point I was trying to put across, purely from my own experience, was that there are/were some operators who were purely after speeding motorists/motorcyclists for whatever reason, and the presence of a fire appliance was pissing on their bonfire somewhat. In this particular instance, the speed limit was 30 mph (or possibly 40 mph, I forget!) and was supposedly renowned for drivers/riders going through much more quickly than that. A primary school, post office and pub and village green are all in the vicinity.
Fast forward a few years and I'm regularly attending events and shows with those that operate or promote these cameras. Those I've spoken with do seem to be genuinely concerned about road safety rather than collecting revenue.
You may have noticed that I do find this whole subject somewhat uncomfortable, to say the least. For my part I'm happy to admit that I try never to speed in 30s and 40s, but TBH when I'm on my own bike I treat the NSL as a guide rather than a maximum, depending on traffic, weather, road surface etc. Sometimes I "find myself" travelling at speeds that would probably be frowned upon, but never at the risk of putting others in danger - just me if I get it wrong.
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FastBikerBoy
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I couldn't agree more about 30s, 40s, 50s. I'm the one at the front holding everyone up - until the GOLF signs of course.  I guess experiences vary from region to region but here they are more often than not sat on bridges beside the A11 (dual carriageway) rather than in areas where there are schools etc.
They took the biscuit this year at the Snetterton BSB round when they were sat either side of the circuit junction from 6.30 am. Yes you read that right, not as people were leaving when I could at least see the sense and deterrent value - but at 6.30 in the morning?!? Sunny day, dual carriageway, and certainly not busy at that time, so what where they there for? Ker-ching, ker-ching, me thinks. Let's face it the government just uses speeding as a tax, they aren't really that bothered that people speed, if they were they'd make punishments so severe nobody would do it for fear of repercussions, but pitch the fine just right, people will take the chance and bingo - a nice little earner. It's a shame we couldn't get all the drivers/riders in the country to abide by speed limits for a month. It'd nearly bring the local authorities to their knees in lost revenue.
Don't get me wrong about my views on speeding, I certainly think speed restrictions have a place and encourage the enforcement in the right places. I'd rather it was done by police officers who at least have discretion on offenders and can take conditions and circumstances into consideration. It's the 'let's stick a van where it can raise most money' policy that pisses me off, I stand by what I say here in Norfolk they are there for the sole purpose of raising money rather than road safety. I still think that there are bigger problems than just speed on the roads - raising the standards of driving by increasing police traffic patrols would be a good place to start. I can't remember the last time I saw police traffic car on the roads around here. I guess it's good 'cos there's less chance of me being caught 'making progress' but bad because there's no one policing all the inattentive drivers that I see every time I'm out, for a variety of reasons on mobiles, brushing hair, arguing with kids/partner etc. etc.
If your fire engine at the side of the road has the effect of slowing drivers down why not have that as an anti-speed policy rather than camera vans? Answers on a postcard please to - 'Easy Money For Us' care of your local authority.
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shinybusa
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I don't think they target bikes in particular locally to me as I received 3 penalty points last week for being 17mph over on a 50 dual carrigeway and I was in my wifes car.I was cheesed off at the time as the camera van was in the bushes just round a slight bend and I was the only car on that stretch of road , there again I was speeding knowingly so can't blame anyone else for that.
You may have a defence there...unless you've coughed up.
The Safety Camera van MUST BE VISIBLE....IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO HIDE IN BUSHES ETC.....You have to be able to see it..I'm not sure of the exact criteria, but I do know that like Traffic cops with Hand held Radar guns, they are not allowed to hide behind things to catch you out!!!!
Would someone from the Mag, like Dowdsy or Kenny be able to make enquiries under the Freedom Of Information act, to find out EXACTLY what the money grabbers are allowed to do???
Nothing like fighting fire with fire!...let's use their own system of legislation against them!!!
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Billyw
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Sorry shiny I've all ready coughed up and received my licence back this morning complete with SP30 on it.It probably makes up for the times when I may or may not have done 140mph down the same stretch( mind you it was a 70mph limit then). Its all the other bollocks they put on the sheet that comes with the ticket that if you contest it you are liable for court costs and may get fined more and get more points, sounds a bit like demanding money with menaces to me.
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KwH
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Sorry shiny I've all ready coughed up and received my licence back this morning complete with SP30 on it.It probably makes up for the times when I may or may not have done 140mph down the same stretch( mind you it was a 70mph limit then). Its all the other bollocks they put on the sheet that comes with the ticket that if you contest it you are liable for court costs and may get fined more and get more points, sounds a bit like demanding money with menaces to me.
Mind you, I'd want to ask why the fuck it is now a 50 limit at all. Nothing to do with the fact that if it was a 70, a scamera wouldn't rake in any cash, obviously.
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shinybusa
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All the Bollox that's written on the ticket is exactly that------------------Bollox!!
The ticket is a FIXED PENALTY NOTICE...IF you elect to take the matter to court , the Magistrate can't increase the penalty or points...because it's a fixed Penalty.....It's all a big bluff to scare people into coughing up.....ALWAYS contest the ticket...
If your bang to rights go into court and plead guilty on the day...it fucks up the system, the copper has to go to court, it costs the CPS, and related people to go to court...and all you get is £60 and 3 points anyway...it costs them a Hell of a lot more than that in time and Money!!!!!
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EOD...EXPLOSIVE ORDNANCE DISPOSAL....
Is a science of vague assumptions, based on debatable figures, derived from inconclusive experiments performed by people of doubtful mental capability, with instruments of problematic accuracy....
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day....
Teach a man to fish.........................................and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day!!
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Billyw
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Yes Kwh your right about the limit as it was a national speed limit then they reduced it to 60 then reduced again to 50mph .The bit where the scamera van was is on a long straight after a slight bend ,there are no houses or turnings on that section and the central reservation is at least 10' wide. Also having now said they were not discriminating against bikes it is on one the main routes to Newlands Corner which is a place that a lot of bikers go to. I don't think its an accident blackspot either as I've lived locally for the last 30 years and never seen or heard of any accidents there.
Shiny I did debate the going to court but I thought it would be a waste of time as I was doing the speed they said , but with hindsight take your point about it fucking the system up if we all asked to go to court.
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